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From Wondery, this is a special interview episode of Blood Ties.

Blood Ties has just concluded its third season, Strange Days. As season 3 unfolds, a lot has changed for the Richland Health Empire.

Eleanor has taken control as CEO with her half-brother Santino at her side.

A new psychedelic miracle drug promises to revolutionize modern medicine and make the company a fortune, but as Eleanor discovers, at what cost?

On today's episode, Sarah Haggie, co-host of Wondery's Scam Fluentcers, sits down with Blood Ties writer and director Benjamin Gray and at Star Gillian Jacobs.

They'll talk about the inspiration for season 3, pushing the boundaries of immersive audio and Eleanor's transformation from bright-eyed CEO to major power player. All that coming up next.

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Benjamin Gray, Gillian Jacobs, I am so excited to be chatting with you today.

It's really nice to be here, Sarah.

Yeah, thank you for having us.

Congrats on season 3 of Blood Ties. I've become such a fan of the show and I have so much I want to get into and I know listeners will want to get into.

But I want to start by asking you Ben, how you approach the story for season 3, like it picks up five years after season two ends.

And in some ways it's kind of like a whole new story. So where did you want to take the season when you when you started it?

We wanted to tell a whole new story and we are starting point was the whole new Eleanor that you catch a glimpse of at the end of season two.

I mean, I think one of the things that I really liked about where we wound up with the end of season two is that Eleanor has this almost like born identity moment.

Yeah, especially the beginning of his of Jason born story where you know he kind of comes to in a room and there are two men laying shot on the floor and he looks at his hand and there's a gun in his hand and he's like, did I do this.

And there's a wonderful way in which Eleanor who's been the idealist and the outsider in the story at the end of season two.

She's ascended to the leadership of Richland Health Services. And so that sets up a really nice tension between her ethics and the and the morals that have kind of guided her in seasons one and two.

And now her position as the leader of the company was there kind of a central theme you want to explore in season three or was it kind of built on from previous seasons.

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