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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

Sunita Sah (on defiance)

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

Armchair Umbrella

Tv & Film, Music, Comedy

4.668.2K Ratings

🗓️ 22 January 2025

⏱️ 121 minutes

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Summary

Sunita Sah (Defy: The Power of No in a World That Demands Yes) is an author, award-winning, tenured professor at Cornell University, and expert in organizational psychology. Sunita joins the Armchair Expert to discuss living up to the Sanskrit meaning of her name, why Milgram’s electric shock experiment pushed her to pursue psychology, and how some of the wildest and offtrack people she knows are doctors. Sunita and Dax talk about how speaking up when you see something happening to someone else is a communal act, how Dax goes straight from tension to defiance, and whether defiance is evolutionarily maladaptive. Sunita explains the five elements that define a true yes, how we can reduce stress by clarifying and acting in alignment to our values, and tells the story of her mother’s defiance that surprised her and taught her hope. 

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0:00.0

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0:06.5

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0:10.0

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0:13.7

Welcome, welcome, welcome to armchair expert experts on expert.

0:16.5

I'm Dan Shepard.

0:17.1

I'm joined by Monica Mouse.

0:18.2

Hi.

0:18.6

Hello.

0:19.0

Today we have Dr. Sunita Saw on,

0:21.3

and she is an award-winning professor at Cornell University

0:24.2

and an expert in organizational psychology.

0:28.3

She has a new book out called Defy the Power of Know in a World that Demands Yes.

0:34.3

I loved this topic.

0:36.8

Yes.

0:37.6

I think it's really important to know how to stick up for yourself, when to stick up for yourself.

0:45.0

Yeah.

0:45.8

I see this book as being enormously helpful for a huge amount of the population.

0:51.6

Yes.

0:52.2

It's very, very, very good.

0:53.7

And also the amount of her own story she includes and acknowledges how hard it is for her,

1:00.7

I think is always helpful.

1:02.3

What we like on this show is sort of looking at the opposite side of it.

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