Welcome to the narcissistic trauma recovery podcast. I'm Caroline Strawson and I'll be sharing with you

awareness, understanding and education about the devastating effects of narcissistic abuse to help you thrive.

I want you to know that I've been exactly where you are and I believe you.

And this show is all about taking you from trauma to transformation.

Hey, my friends, a massive welcome again to the narcissistic trauma recovery podcast.

This is your safe space to come and be educated, to give you hope.

And today, to be inspired because today is all

about survivor stories and I have the absolute privilege to be joined by an incredible woman,

Anila Makry. And now she is a humanistic therapist and uses an integrative approach in what

she is doing. And she's also a current student on my

narcissistic trauma-informed coaching certification. She is about to make a huge impact in the world

in narcissism, utilizing all of her tools. And boy, does she have a story to tell. And I know many of

you are going to be able to relate to that. So a massive warm welcome to the podcast,

Anila. Thank you so much. Lovely to be here, Caroline. I know. I'm absolutely thrilled. And I think

first off, people will notice a hint of an accent. So tell me, whereabouts are you sat right now

whilst we are doing this? I am sitting in Karachi, Pakistan. I currently have no

electricity. I have my generator on outside. You might hear that. Yeah. So we have lights going and

coming very often. And I think this is why it was really important, I think, to have you on the podcast.

You know, I'm here in the UK. and obviously, you know, you're over there in

Pakistan and I think it's really important for people to recognise narcissism holds no bounds.

It really doesn't. Like a global pandemic itself, isn't it? Absolutely. So tell me a little bit about

your story around narcissism. What actually brought you into

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