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Francesca Albanese, United Nations Special Rapporteur for the occupied Palestinian territories. I can't believe I'm talking you right now in the Empire Files.

It's such a tremendous honor to have you on the show.

Thank you so much. It's a honor for me too.

You know, it's really a monumental week, Francesca, and I'm really happy to be speaking to you on the heels of

the International Criminal Court issuing these arrest warrants or the application, let's just say,

for the arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Defense Minister,

you have, Galant. I mean, these are people who would typically be immune from this kind of

process alongside, you know, Western leaders.

It's been called a symbolic gesture, but it still is quite incredible to see these people standing up there as, you know, war criminals, essentially, on this kind of international stage.

As someone who has been an expert witness in the occupied territories for so long,

I mean, what was your reaction to seeing this?

I have mixed feelings, a mixed reaction.

So the part of me who's used to work within the system

and who's been waiting for this minimum, this modicum of

justice to be delivered to the Palestinian type. It was within the framework of the proceedings

started before the ICJ by South Africa, seeing Israel finally defend itself before an international

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