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TEASER: Checking In On the Online Nazis With Jason Wilson

Angry Planet

Matthew Gault

War, Politics, Conflict, Government, History, News

4.3882 Ratings

🗓️ 6 June 2024

⏱️ 14 minutes

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American politics was bizarre in 2016. Alt-right figures dominated many news cycles and shared pictures of cartoon frogs online. A lot of those personalities, like Baked Alaska and Richard Spencer, flamed out and vanished from the scene. But there’s always money to be made and political power to be gained by playing to people’s base fears and a new brand of online far right weirdo has risen to take their places.


On this episode of Angry Planet we check in on the so-called “New Right” with investigative journalist Jason Wilson. Wilson has chronicled far-right movements for years and recently exposed some of their thought leaders in The Guardian. If you want to learn why some people care about the “longhouse” or the importance of online anonymity when spreading weird ideas online, then this is the episode for you. 


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Revealed: the extremist Maga lobbying group driving far-right Republican policies


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Revealed: how a US far-right group is influencing anti-gay policies in Africa

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0:00.0

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0:05.1

It's up to you how much you give and there's no regular commitment. Just click the link in the show description to support now. I think what they're trying to do is meme into existence, this idea that what they call dioxing doesn't work, like identifying people

0:26.1

like this doesn't have any kind of effect anymore. And they're trying to use this as evidence of that.

0:31.9

It seems strange in combination with the idea that it's somehow a

0:38.1

grave offense to identify someone and line them up with their persona, right?

0:42.9

It seems kind of contradictory, but I think that all of it should be understood as trying to

0:47.8

deter this kind of reporting.

0:49.7

Why is it important that people are identified?

0:52.1

I mean, it's not important that

0:53.2

everyone is identified it's not important that like I'm not you know opposed to

0:59.4

online anonymity in principle it the question is more when someone is using their

1:05.9

pseudonymity or anonymity in particular ways, when someone is operating what's becoming an important cultural institution

1:16.0

with political goals, then I think it's a question of whether there's a public interest in knowing who's doing that and why.

1:25.0

Right?

1:26.0

And you know, I was working on this for a really long time and there were a couple of times really where I put it aside because you know it was kind of like well because of me asking myself the kinds of questions you've just asked me you know but really I mean that when I saw him in a duplicitous way directing hostile attention at

1:46.1

events in his own community stuff like that you start to get into questions of

1:51.2

public safety, right?

1:52.8

And so, like, I did think very carefully

1:55.1

about the public interest rationale for this.

1:57.1

And, you know, a publisher with a six-figure turnover

2:01.9

that's rehabilitating these racists and

2:05.1

and conducting a series of community events around the in-person events around the

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