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Tom, how long have you been an editor at H.

About four years.

But you had never tried AR or VR until recently is that correct?

Yeah, so I was very recently at a conference and there was like a VR booth which was the most popular a the first time that a lot of people were using these things.

And they were like, what is this for?

I've heard all this hype.

What is it like to actually use it?

And can I see a way that that actually like applies to what I do. And so I tried the

Apple Vision Pro at last. I tried two different things. One was just like immercively

look at dinosaurs which is very cool.

And the second use was this like prototype that was built for

using like a camera that you could put down a pipe and then there was also an overlay that was like a map of

the system that you were looking in and then it had like other stats overlaid.

Sort of like you would see in like a video game like a like a heads up display and then the other use for the Apple vision pro was if you had to like fix an engine and you were an apprentice and there wasn't like a master mechanic around somebody could be seeing what you see and like giving you the

steps as you go along.

So an interesting thing about this to me is that the use cases that I was looking at in this

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