Welcome to What Drives You. I'm Kevin Miller. In this episode, the 12-step benefits for all of humanity.

Well, most everyone, I assume, is heard of the 12-steps concept associated with Alcoholics Anonymous.

I bring it here for all of us, whether you think you're addicted to anything or not, which is an

arguable claim for anyone, I think. Ian Morgan Cron, he is the best-selling author of The Road

Back to You, an Enneagram Journey to Self-Discovery. It's sold over a million copies. He's a

psychotherapist. He's an enneagram teacher, an Episcopal priest, the host of

the very popular podcast Typology, which I've been a guest on. Well, I had Ian on the show before

to talk about the message in his book, The Story of You, an aneagram journey to becoming your true

self. Since he was on the show with me,

this leader of so many people had a relapse in essence. And it's not some incredibly

sorted story of totally going off the rails, but he has a past history of substance abuse.

And all these years later, he has a past history of substance abuse. And all these

years later, he found himself relying on some substances again and questioning himself in some

significant ways. So after dealing with that and kind of coming out through that, we talk about

his story here. We talk about the great human ache, as Ian puts it. We discuss

what addiction really is, the need for community for all of us to be on a healthy path, and how

the 12 steps are just relevant for anyone seeking overall well-being. We even breaks down the 12 steps, as you're going to hear, and covers that it's about making

peace with God, making peace with self, making peace with others, and cultivating an overall

healthy and fulfilling life.

And he's captured all this in a brand new book that's

the muse for this talk. It's called The Fix, How the Twelve Steps offer a surprising path

of transformation for the well-adjusted, the down and out, and everyone in between. So I hope

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