My name is Annie Matt Manus and my name is Nick Grimshaw. How long have we known each other babe?

Probably 20 years now and in that time we've always worked in and around music right?

We have. So it kind of makes sense that we do a podcast better.

It sounds like he's been 20 years in the making. It's not a avatar for podcasts, basically,

but it is good. So we put the world to rights with regards to music.

It's all the stuff that you'd want to chat to your mate about over a pint. rights with the music.

It's all the stuff that you'd want to chat to your mate about over a pint.

Sidetracked with us, Annie and Nick.

Listen on BBC Sounds.

Hi, it's Rianna Crocksford.

Here's the second of the brand new episodes of our first season of World of Secrets,

The Abercrombie Guys. Just a reminder, if you haven't already, do listen back from episode one.

And before we start, I want to let you know that this episode contained strong language,

references to drug use and accounts of sexual violence.

All about through your bind when you saw the headlines?

You know, like on an airplane when the plane drops and your stomach turns, That's how it felt.

My stomach turned, it was like a big drop.

Hard skip the beat.

It was just instantly brought up those very uncomfortable emotions for me when I saw this.

One rainy day in the autumn of 2023 I'm sitting at my desk in the BBC

newsroom in London when an email pings in my inbox.

We've just broken the story that Mike Jeffries and Matthew Smith are facing allegations of sex trafficking.

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