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Catholic.edu. We have Elizabeth Lash Quinn with us today. She is Professor of History at Syracuse University, author of many things, including the book's Black Neighbors and also race experts.

Her new book is Ars Vita, The Fate of Inwardness and the return of the ancient arts of living.

Our topic today.

Welcome, Professor Lashquin.

Thank you so much.

It's really an honor.

First, a gigantic question.

Sure.

How can one, what does one have to do to start thinking of living as an art?

Well, probably start by unlearning everything that's being taught around us in this culture. And I mean that seriously, that we are bombarded with messages of all kinds through popular culture, through advertising,

through our mainstream institutions of all kinds, schools, and you just go on and on.

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