Maybe we'll cut in right here so the listeners, viewers can understand it's a little shift in format.

The sense that I get get whenever I have conversations

with like artistic creatives in person is like it's the best it's like one of my favorite things

and there's something about being in a room and so I've kind of been I started the podcast a few months

ago and I've been doing it like that going to people's creative spaces seeing the places that they work in and it's been I've enjoyed it I've been doing it like that, going to people's creative spaces, seeing the places that they work in.

And it's been, I've enjoyed it.

I've gotten some good feedback.

But, you know, discussing with you what you said, the idea that it's not going to really be possible to connect on the road.

Well, I don't want to not have this conversation.

So I was talking with another creative friend of mine and she's like, why don't you pivot and like do something a little different, almost like a different segment.

And so instead of having this free form, life, philosophy, art, everything, I figured, yeah, let's

zoom in on like something specific and do it over Zoom.

So thanks for trying something new with me.

Well, trying stuff new is just the way to go.

And I will agree with you that when you can be in physical space with people,

it is definitely a good thing and a special thing and worth doing.

And so many people just do a lazy podcast so that the fact

that you put in that effort definitely make that a priority and always do that but if you can expand

that and try new things i'm happy to be part of that experiment so thank you for letting me participate

in this way of course and it feels like this is kind of your creative space.

It is.

It is.

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