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Today it's my interview with Baker Nancy Silverton. She shares her favorite

tips for angel food cake and bread pudding and tells us about the time she

made Julia Child cry. I thought that I had burned her and I was, you know, just sort of taken it back when I saw these

tears streaming down her cheeks and all she had to say was this is a dessert to cry over.

Now that is the ultimate compliment.

Later in the show, baking with Nancy Silverton.

But first, Joan De Jesus is here to explain the wine world's biggest trend right now,

natural wines.

Joan is the founder and curator of wine for me, a social club for wine lovers in Brooklyn.

Joan, welcome to Milk Street.

Thank you for having me.

So natural wines, I remember one of the first wines

I had was at a little sort of modern Bistro in Paris a long time ago and it was

cloudy and I have to say the taste was surprising it was fresh it was vibrant but I It was

a vibrant but I don't think it had you didn't have that long tail. It didn't have that sort of depth it was used to where it took a while to kind of get all the flavors. So let's start by defining

a natural wine. I assume this means it has to be from organic or biodynamic grapes.

Is that the starting point?

Yeah, so I think there's different kind of categories

of natural wine, right?

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