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Worldly

The big picture of the Israel-Gaza war

Worldly

Vox Media Podcast Network

News, Politics, News Commentary

4.41.8K Ratings

🗓️ 20 May 2021

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

Zack, Jenn, and Alex take a look at how, after more than a week of fighting, the war between Israel and Hamas is already reshaping the contours of the broader Israeli-Palestinian conflict — deepening entrenched political realities, shaking up alliances, and reframing how the various players view their roles in the fight and the prospect of finding a peaceful solution to the decades-long conflict. References: Zack wrote for Vox about whether the US-Israel alliance is doomed. Alex’s Vox story is on why Biden won’t push Israel harder on Gaza. Alex also has Vox pieces on why the Abraham Accords didn’t solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the growing Democratic Party split on Israel. The New York Times has a smart piece on the Palestinian strikes. Hosts: Zack Beauchamp (@zackbeauchamp), senior correspondent, Vox Jennifer Williams (@jenn_ruth), senior foreign editor, Vox Alex Ward (@AlexWardVox), White House reporter, Vox Consider contributing to Vox: If you value Worldly’s work, please consider making a contribution to Vox: bit.ly/givepodcasts More to explore: Subscribe for free to Today, Explained, Vox’s daily podcast to help you understand the news, hosted by Sean Rameswaram. About Vox: Vox is a news network that helps you cut through the noise and understand what's really driving the events in the headlines. Follow us: Vox.com Newsletter: Vox Sentences Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

It's been over a week since the fighting between Israel and Hamas started.

0:12.8

And so far, while there's talk of a ceasefire, while we're recording this, the fighting

0:16.3

is still going on and the human cost is still horrific.

0:19.6

There are also some important political ramifications of what's happened so far.

0:23.6

It suggests some really striking new things about the conflict, about America's role

0:28.4

in it, about the regional role in it, about the way that Israelis and Palestinians are

0:31.4

thinking about it.

0:32.4

We're going to talk about those today onworldly, part of the Vox Media podcast network.

0:36.0

I am Zach Beecham here as always with Jen Williams and Alex Ward.

0:39.2

Hello.

0:40.2

Hey.

0:41.2

Jen, I want to start with you.

0:42.6

One thing you and I have been talking about as we've been following the conflict and

0:46.0

writing about it in reporting is this really unprecedented strike that happened on Wednesday

0:51.3

amongst Palestinians.

0:52.3

You saw for the first time in decades, Arab Israelis are Palestinian citizens of Israel,

0:57.2

whichever term you prefer, refusing to show up to work alongside Palestinians in the

1:02.6

West Bank and refugee camps.

1:04.3

It was a general act of Palestinian nonviolent resistance against what they see as Israeli

1:11.2

abuses during the war.

1:12.6

It's remarkable.

1:13.6

This kind of pan-Palestinian solidarity is not something that you typically see during

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