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The Book Club: Joe Dunthorne

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🗓️ 2 April 2025

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

My guest in this week’s Book Club podcast is the poet and novelist Joe Dunthorne, who is here to talk about his new non-fiction book Children of Radium: A Buried Inheritance. In it, he describes how he criss-crossed Europe in search of the truth about his great-grandfather, a Jewish scientist who found himself working on chemical weapons for the Nazis. Joe talks to me about historical guilt, the accidents of fate and human psychology – and making comedy out of tragedy.

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0:00.0

On Thursday the 15th of May, the Spectator is hosting a live book club event.

0:05.5

Sam Leith, the host of this podcast, will be joined by former Telegraph Editor-in-Chief

0:09.8

and military historian Max Hastings.

0:12.3

It will be an opportunity to talk about Max's new book, Sword, D-Day, Trial by Battle,

0:17.6

as well as mark the 80th anniversary of V-E-Day.

0:22.2

The full details are as follows.

0:28.5

7.30 on Thursday the 15th of May at the Shaw Theatre in Houston, London, and tickets start from £27.50, although I believe there are ticket options that include a signed copy of the book.

0:34.3

For those tickets, go to www. Spectator.com.com.com. We look forward to seeing you there.

0:44.0

Hello and welcome to The Spectator's Book Club podcast. I'm Sam Leith, the literary editor for

0:52.6

The Spectator. My guest this week is the

0:55.2

novelist and poet Joe Dunthorne, but we're here to talk about his first non-fiction book,

1:00.2

which is called Children of Radium. Joe, welcome. Quite early on, it becomes clear that this is not

1:06.6

even the book you were intending to write. Sort of Withdale style, you've written a book by accident.

1:12.1

You were going to write about your grandmother, won't you? That was the idea, yeah. And I had a kind of

1:19.9

limited idea, probably like the ideal lack of knowledge about what her life was like, just

1:26.4

little enough to really think it would be a

1:29.1

great idea to write about her life, just little enough to have this kind of fantasy about what

1:33.9

I thought her childhood had been like growing up in as a Jewish girl in 1920s and 30s, Germany.

1:42.3

And then I made the mistake of actually interviewing her about her life.

1:48.7

And yeah, she told me all the ways in which I had it completely wrong. And it's actually she was

1:54.8

quite a kind of cross-patch sort of figure. Yes, she was because she lived all over the place

1:59.8

in her in her life. She grew up in Germany. But then when she was, I lived all over the place in her life.

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