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Welcome everyone, this is Dr. Mercola helping you take control of your health and today we are joined by Gary Tobs who has written his fourth book about diet. The first three being good calories, bad calories, a classic, the diet delusion in 2008 and why we get fat and what to do about it.

And this new book is called the case for Kito.

So an interesting book for sure and one that we're going to have an interesting discussion on because I have some

insights that I didn't have before that causes me to question some of the thesis, the validity of exclusively limiting

carbohydrates. So welcome and thank you for joining us today Gary.

Thank you, Joe. It's great to be here.

All right.

So what was the motivation to write this book?

You already wrote three books along similar lines. So what we're hoping to achieve

with the publication of this book. Okay, well first of all times of change since. Oh, come on.

Really?

So I don't know if the science has changed all that much,

but when I wrote why we Get Fat in 2011, published 2000, Why We Get Fat.

I had to, I went back at the last chapters.

This is a discussion of the cause of obesity as much as it is the, you know, how to fix it. If you want to understand, if you want to treat the problem problem obviously what we want to do is

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