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This episode contains discussions of sexual violence.

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Because you have to remember they've got... advised. and I can't just, you know, incapacitate.

That what's the point? There's no point in that it's pointless.

I mean, they want your help.

If they get rid of you so to speak or if they're, I mean, then they can't have your help at all.

If they get rid of me, well then they can still have your help.

So threatening you, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

See what I mean?

As you said before, and as I have said, and as everybody says it does seem like empty frets because I mean you're really a person of value to them, you know.

Yeah, but at the same time, they do drag you around and sexual assault and all the rest of that kind of stuff. So there is a lot of physical intimidation to get you to comply.

I'm Toby Ball and this is Strange Arrivals. Episode 6, the case of Emma Woods.

Well, I use a pseudonym Emma Woods, and I was a research subject of David Jacobs, who is a well-known

alien abduction researcher and he was an associate professor of Temple University at the time that I was his research subject.

I had many hypnosis sessions with him over about two years and then I became quite

concerned about what was happening and I then ended my association with him and

then a few years later I made it known in the

UFO field quite widely became quite a controversy in the UFO field and yes that's

pretty much how I came to be known in the UFO field

through the controversy over what happened when I was a research subject of David

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