Hello and welcome to this interview with Dr Paul Morland and Philip Pilkington authors of the brand new Arc report

quantifying the demographic trilemmer they're forecasting how we're going to face a demographic collapse if we don't avert.

Cool, so thanks very much coming in and gents.

Thank you, thank you very much.

Good to see that you survived the excoriation of the Port Kullis House event

that I decided to show our audience.

I mean, you...

I think I took the beating on that one.

Yeah, and you provided a very spirited interjection,

but don't worry, I'm not going to be nearly as mean.

We're actually going to go into the causes and effects.

Yeah, fantastic.

So if you don't mind for our audience who haven't read the report, it is in the description.

Advise you guys go through it all for up some visual aids as we're going through some of this,

but for those who haven't read the report

aren't familiar with your careers do you mind just running them through what you've done

what the purpose of the report is through the findings etc so if okay, I'll start out with the general concept of the trilemma, which is something I talk about in my last book,

Tomorrow's People, and then maybe Philip you can fill in with some of the numbers.

So the idea of the trilemma is really that

we face a set of choices as societies which work their way through politics.

And really we can have two, I argue, of three things.

And just as a kind of shorthand, I call them

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