Welcome back to Drill, I'm Amy Westervelt. A new report was released recently from the

Institute for Strategic Dialogue and the 20-plus member coalition Climate Action Against Disinformation.

It's called Denai, Deseave, and Delay, and it documents and responds to climate disinformation

from the COP26 summit to today. It also offers some suggestions for countering disinformation,

policies that could help and messaging frameworks that might be helpful. Today, I'm joined by Jenny

King, who was the lead author on the report, to walk us through some of the findings and what to

make of them. That conversation's coming up right after this quick break.

So I'm curious to hear maybe a little bit about the process. First, how you started looking at

this issue and how you honed in on these super-spreader accounts in the first place.

Sure. My organisation ISD has traditionally looked at the evolution of extremist and

conspiracist ideologies and the roles that they are playing in undermining democratic processes

and norms and ultimately fueling hate speech and violence. Over the years, we've developed a

very large portfolio in lots of different vectors of disinformation because obviously, disinformation

is a key tool used by both extremist and conspiracist movements and also used in the effort to drive

polarisation in a number of societies. So, working on climate change might seem like a slightly

left-field choice, but the reason why we became so interested and decided to build out an entirely

new portfolio of work in this space is because we noticed that a lot of the communities we have been

monitoring for a number of years were beginning to espouse anti-environmental stances and that

there seemed to be a growing confluence between the kinds of anti-government, anti-elite,

broad culture wars and identity politics framing that you would find in other really important

issues sets like migration or sectionary productive health rights or hate speech, incitement of violence

and what was happening around climate change and that's what felt like an extremely concerning

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