There's so many issues where it's just, it's so great to play off the emotions of people of,

look at how awful the other side is because they are going to take this away.

Insert issue here.

It's a very, the very similar playbook.

But it's mostly, it seems to me to win elections because once you

win or once the elections die down or when something new was in the news cycle, nobody actually

moves to solve this problem.

Welcome to the unspeakable podcast. I'm your host, Megan Down. My guest is writer, comedian, news commentator, all around interesting,

sort of unusual person. I don't know about unusual, but definitely defying of stereotypes.

She contains multitudes. Kat Timph. Cat has a new book out. It's called I Used to Like You Until How Binary Thinking Divides Us.

And she's going to talk about it in this conversation. We cover a lot of things that I know listeners of this podcast appreciate problems with audience capture, just ideological warfare, how culture wars are destroying friendships and relationships,

and basically the problem with everything, problem with everything. You know what I mean.

This is a great conversation and I think you will enjoy it. So here's Kat Timf.

Kat Timph, welcome to the Unspeakable. Hi, thanks for having me. We're here to talk about your book.

I used to like you until dot, dot, dot. A few people have said that to me over the last couple years.

So it's not an uncommon phrase.

So this book comes out of your experience in media. You're the co-host of Gutfeld on Fox and you're a

Fox News analyst. You've been writing and commenting on politics for a long time. And this book gets

it something that so many people have

been grappling with for the last few years, which is that tribalism is not only ruining the

country and the world, but it's ruining relationships, friendships, friendships,

professional ties, all kinds of connections. When you set out to write this book,

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