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Fox. Hey this is Troy. Thank you for joining us for a Tuesday edition of our

podcast. Our guest today has worked in a variety of jobs despite his youth.

He's worked as what I call a special advisor to the president.

He may have a different name for what he did.

He's worked at the White House. He worked in our intelligence community.

He's an entrepreneur. My friends, this is the highest compliment I can give him. My friends that know him speak glowingly of his both his

ability and his character. He's also really really young so I think he's going to be on the political slash governmental stage for a long time if he wants to be, and I mean that last part on purpose, if that's what he wants and I say that because it seems to me

increasingly there is a clash between politics and spirituality as I define it pure authentic spirituality.

Politics and government seems like a really rough line of work

and religion or spirituality is not often the first or second or even 78 thing we think about when we think about the District of Columbia.

But he's at that intersection.

So I want you to help me welcome someone whose name you either do know or will come to know.

Mr. Cliff Sims who has a book coming out that darkness has not overcome.

Do I have that right? I gave short shrift to your background Cliff. What

what should I have said that I did not so?

I don't know. I probably couldn't have done it any better than you did. I think that was perfect.

The only thing that I care about that maybe wasn't in there was my favorite title of all, which is

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