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Content warning, this episode contains discussion of the murder of two girls.

Shay Hughes is a great source of legal analysis about the Richard Allen case,

and other criminal cases as well. He's a criminal defense attorney in Indiana,

and you can find him on Instagram, where he posts his insights under the name,

Hooger Public Defender. He is definitely worth a follow.

He is also, of course, shared his thoughts with us on the show in the past.

It's been a while since we've had him on, though, and a lot has happened since we last talked.

We decided to ask him back on so we could get a defense attorney's perspective on the Frank's

memorandum, the Allen defense team recently filed. My name is Anya Keane, I'm a journalist,

and I'm Kevin Greenley, I'm an attorney, and this is the murder sheet.

We're a true crime podcast focused on original reporting,

interviews, and deep dives into murder cases. We're the murder sheet.

And this is the Delphine murders, discussing the Frank's memorandum with the Hooger Public Defender.

Overall impression of this Frank's memorandum.

I mix feelings about the memorandum itself. It's very argumentative. It's not the typical

memorandum that you would see as it relates to a suppression motion. It's not a memorandum

that I would lay out or draft myself. So there's that. But I think parts three and five,

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