Content warning, this episode contains discussion of murder, including the murder of children.

For many people, now retired Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter became the face of the years-long investigation into the Delphine murders.

This is the second of our two-part conversation with him. If you've not listened to Part 1, please go back and do so.

Our conversation with Carter today will pick up with him learning about the forthcoming arrest

of Richard Allen. Now that the gag order is lifted, Doug Carter and others are free to speak about

their experiences with the Delphi case. These episodes are part of our first-person interview

series. We will seek to interview as many

of the individuals with firsthand experience in the Delphi case as possible in the coming weeks and

months. If you had a direct role in the case and are open to talking with us, email us at

murder sheet at gmail.com. This is part of our ongoing efforts to report on the Delphi murders. For many years,

we have not gotten the chance to hear directly from some of the principal figures in the case.

That all changes now. My name is Anya Kane. I'm a journalist. And I'm Kevin Greenlee. I'm an attorney.

And this is The Murder Sheet. We're a true crime podcast focused on original reporting, interviews, and deep dives into murder cases.

We're the murder sheet.

And this is The Delphi Murders, First Person.

Doug Carter, Part 2.

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How did you learn where were you when you heard that Kathy Shank had uncovered this new promising lead.

Barcelona, Spain.

Where in Barcelona?

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