It pisses me off when people say like, oh, you just have to make it like harder to access care. No,

no, because what? I identify this transfer for 14 years before I de-transitioned. Come on.

Hello, hello, and welcome back to a bit fruity. My name is Matt Bernstein and I am so happy

that you're here today. So let's just get right into it. De-transition is the process through which

someone who previously identified as transgender works to reverse their transition through social

medical and legal means. And de-transition can happen for a whole bunch of different reasons,

right? For some people, it's regret. For some people, it's social pressure to not be trans,

you know, discrimination for being trans. Maybe they had medical complications. There's all sorts

of reasons why this happens. But if you have heard about people who have de-transitioned,

it's probably because they've become the center of this culture war, right? Where conservative

politicians have been weaponizing their stories over the last couple years to argue why essentially

gender affirming care should be illegal for everyone because it didn't work out for these

select people. Just a few weeks ago, Prager, you, the massively influential and well-funded

right-wing media website, they made this documentary called de-trans, which has a million and

half views in the last three weeks on YouTube. A select few de-transitioners, some of whom will

talk about in this episode, are trotted out in front of governments all across the United States

over and over and over and over and over again to testify about their stories of de-transition

to persuade these governments to pass bills that will ban gender affirming care for everybody.

Some of these de-transitioners are making careers out of it in right-wing media, which I've

talked about before on this podcast, is shockingly easy to do. So de-transitioning has become a moral

panic. And a moral panic by definition is a widespread feeling of fear, often,

an irrational one, that some evil person or thing threatens the values, interests, or well-being

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