This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing from I Heart Radio.

Global warming, Donald Trump's presidency and the COVID pandemic add to that list of things

that were unlikely and that we were unprepared for the overturning of Roe v Wade.

Turn on the television or check social media today and you'll hear an abundance of outrage

over the perceived betrayal of our current Supreme Court.

Justice's Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett all profess to respect the precedent of Roe v.

Wade during their confirmation hearings and yet we are on the cusp of the Supreme Court

overturning the 1973 landmark case that found abortion to be a constitutional rights.

My guests today are in the trenches on this issue.

Anna Rupani is the executive director of Fund Texas Choice.

Her organization helps Texans access abortions out of state following the passage of SB8

which banned abortion after the detection of a fetal heartbeat at around six weeks.

But first I'm talking to one of the world's leading authorities on the legal history

of the abortion debate.

Mary Ziegler is a professor at Florida State University College of Law, a visiting professor

at Harvard Law School and is a frequent guest on CNN, ABC News and NPR.

She's also written opinion pieces for the New York Times, the Atlantic, as well as four

books on abortion law in America.

Considering her extensive background and exhaustive research on the subject, I wanted to know

if Mary Ziegler was surprised to learn the likely fate of Roe v. Wade.

I think when Trump was elected, I thought this was going to happen, but I still find myself

being surprised by how it's happening.

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