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The Rich Roll Podcast

The Explorer's Gene: Alex Hutchinson On Humanity’s Drive To Seek The Unknown, The Science Of Uncertainty, & Why Effort Creates Meaning

The Rich Roll Podcast

Rich Roll

Health & Fitness, Education, Self-improvement, Society & Culture

4.812.9K Ratings

🗓️ 24 March 2025

⏱️ 141 minutes

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Summary

Alex Hutchinson is a National Magazine Award-winning journalist, Cambridge-trained physicist, and bestselling author of “Endure” and “The Explorer’s Gene.” This conversation explores Alex’s transcendent perspective on our primordial drive to seek the unknown. We unpack his fascinating evolution from elite runner and NSA researcher to becoming the voice on endurance science, and now, the cartographer of humanity’s exploratory impulse. We dive into the genetic and neurological drivers of uncertainty-seeking, the importance of embracing difficulty, the role of play, and finding meaning through effort in adventure and everyday life. Note: In celebration of Alex’s appearance on the podcast, we’re giving away five signed copies of his transformative book. Subscribe to the newsletter at richroll.com/subscribe for a chance to win. Alex’s work doesn’t merely inform—it transforms. This dialogue is an expedition worth taking. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE  Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up   Today’s Sponsors: AG1: Get a FREE bottle of Vitamin D3+K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs 👉drinkAG1.com/richroll This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp: Get 10% OFF the first month👉BetterHelp.com/richroll   Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉 richroll.com/sponsors Find out more about Voicing Change Media at voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange

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0:00.0

Exploration is about accepting uncertainty and risk.

0:05.0

By doing that on a regular basis, we end up doing difficult things and feeling like our pursuits have meaning.

0:12.0

Listen to that inner voice, telling you to try something, and be willing to take risks in pursuit of something because you never know what you might find.

0:27.9

When you think about it, the story of humanity is really a story of exploration. It's a trait unique to our species that compels us to reach higher and go further and boldly go where no man

0:35.0

has gone before, to quote Star Trek. From early migration to space travel, and even engineering new forms of intelligence,

0:42.3

our inclination towards exploration is undeniable.

0:46.3

But what is this inclination all about? Why do we have it? Where does it come from?

0:51.3

And how can we enrich our lives by cultivating it?

0:54.5

These are questions Alex Hutchinson just couldn't shake.

0:57.8

So this former elite track and field athlete

1:00.7

and Cambridge trained physicist turned journalist

1:04.4

and New York Times best-selling author of Endure,

1:06.8

which I might add is perhaps the best book

1:09.1

ever written on the science of endurance.

1:11.4

This is a guy who sought about finding answers.

1:15.4

If all else is equal, we want to try something new and something different.

1:19.7

We want to pursue the unknown.

1:21.3

Exploration isn't just something that evolved from a freak genetic mutation 50,000 years ago.

1:27.2

It's something that is a precondition of life.

1:30.3

No one gets to Easter Island because they were a little hungry.

1:33.3

You have to be deliberately exploring to get there.

1:36.3

He's here today to report not only his surprising discoveries,

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