I think Hamas can be degraded enough for Gaza to turn the page into a whole different future,

but only the Israelis can do it. The only question that worries me a little bit sometimes when I

hear certain politicians talk is, is that how the Israelis are thinking? But if that's not what

the Israeli government is going to do for political reasons or for ideological reasons

or because that's how the various contradictory political interests that make up every

Israeli government happened to intersect this time around, then we are just building ourselves

another quagmire and a long-term one and one that'll hurt Israelis and will hurt Ghazans,

certainly.

It's 9 a.m. on Wednesday, November 13th, here in New York City.

It's 4 p.m. on Wednesday, November 13th, in Israel, as Israelis begin to wind down their day. These past couple of weeks, we've seen a lot of major developments unfold, the firing

of Defense Minister Yoav Galant, of Pogrom in Amsterdam, potentially more violence, more anti-Semitic violence elsewhere in Europe,

key figures in the prime minister's office being detained, and of course, the U.S. elections.

The political chessboard has been thrown upside down, and the pieces are only beginning to

fall back into place, including in Gaza,

a war front that has taken backstage over the past few months as we all on this podcast

have been focused on other fronts in Israel's war and certainly as the IDF has been focusing

most of its attention on the northern front and also the continued threat from Iran.

But there has been a lot of debate about Gaza, even though we have not been featuring it on the podcast,

and a lot of debate around the day after plan in Gaza.

The Israeli government has been somewhat opaque about its plans, but on the ground in

Gaza, you can start to see breadcrumbs of what's beginning to emerge or what may come to be.

And so we're going to try and connect some of those dots and draw an outline of where we are

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