Hey Gros friends, I'm Cam Schüsler and you are listening to The Grows'Podcast.

We hope all you girls had such an amazing Thanksgiving.

Here on the Grove team, we have so much to be thankful for.

First of which is one of our favorite returning guests, Lisa Harper,

and she comes bearing all her usual gifts, belly laughter, crocodile tears, and deep theology.

Today, her and Shelly Giglio have an honest conversation about the ways God has carefully and intentionally pursued Lisa

over the years. And she covers everything from God's call in her life in public ministry to the way

he cared for her heart while adopting her daughter, Missy.

All of it gracefully designed to draw Lisa closer to God's heart for her.

There is so much for all of us to clean just by hearing her story we know you're going to be

so encouraged let's join them.

We're on the group podcast together Lisa Harper. I look at you and it's like my

heart starts going

I love being with you.

We love being together and it's a gift to have a friend like that and...

That's why I couldn't wear shorts because everybody would see my Shelly tattoo.

Well they would actually see your tan legs because you... and wear shorts because everybody would see my Shelly tattoo.

Well they would actually see your tan legs because you get at the lake some this summer.

So you're feeling pretty good about that.

We've got a little moment at the lake.

Can we just talk about that just to start off?

Without the suicide pact.

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