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'The Interview': Ayana Elizabeth Johnson Has an Antidote to Our Climate Delusions

Just popping in here to remind you that every weekend on Saturday,

we're going to be sending you episodes of a new show our colleagues are making.

The show is called The Interview. This week on the show, David

Marcasey talks with scientist Iana Elizabeth Johnson. Okay, here's the show.

From the New York Times, this is the interview. I'm David Marquesne. Back in 2018, a big climate report came out that really shook me.

It painted a pretty dire picture of where we're heading,

a climate that will likely warm by at least one and a half

degrees Celsius by 2040. It was a grim warning of what things will look like

if we don't reverse course. It now seems probable that we're going to blow

past those climate targets and that's led to a lot of climate

fear, pessimism, and activism rooted in anger. But recently there's been a growing counter

including from some experts who have a clear view on what's coming.

And that response is a cautious optimism.

Though she doesn't go so far as to call herself hopeful,

Dr. Iana Elizabeth Johnson is one of those experts

trying to change the mood on climate. She's a marine biologist, the co-founder of a

think tank focused on the future of coastal cities and she's also worked on climate policy

advising lawmakers and working with the EPA on climate solutions and she's got a new

book that's due out this summer called What If We Get It Right? Visions of Climate Futures.

That question, what if we get it right on climate

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0:03.0	Just popping in here to remind you that every weekend on Saturday,
0:07.0	we're going to be sending you episodes of a new show our colleagues are making.
0:11.0	The show is called The Interview. This week on the show, David
0:15.4	Marcasey talks with scientist Iana Elizabeth Johnson. Okay, here's the show.
0:30.0	From the New York Times, this is the interview. I'm David Marquesne. Back in 2018, a big climate report came out that really shook me.
0:38.0	It painted a pretty dire picture of where we're heading,
0:41.0	a climate that will likely warm by at least one and a half
0:43.1	degrees Celsius by 2040. It was a grim warning of what things will look like
0:47.4	if we don't reverse course. It now seems probable that we're going to blow
0:51.5	past those climate targets and that's led to a lot of climate
0:54.8	fear, pessimism, and activism rooted in anger. But recently there's been a growing counter
1:00.5	response to those darker feelings,
1:02.6	including from some experts who have a clear view on what's coming.
1:05.8	And that response is a cautious optimism.
1:09.1	Though she doesn't go so far as to call herself hopeful,
1:11.6	Dr. Iana Elizabeth Johnson is one of those experts
1:14.3	trying to change the mood on climate. She's a marine biologist, the co-founder of a
1:19.1	think tank focused on the future of coastal cities and she's also worked on climate policy
1:23.6	advising lawmakers and working with the EPA on climate solutions and she's got a new
1:28.8	book that's due out this summer called What If We Get It Right? Visions of Climate Futures.
1:33.7	That question, what if we get it right on climate
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'The Interview': Ayana Elizabeth Johnson Has an Antidote to Our Climate Delusions

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