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This is five live boxing.

In a gym not too far from where Harry Potter does his business, that's his magic, there's another

time traveler. Don Charles, well he's also looking for a little bit of magic, the veteran trainer.

When his fire to Daniel Dubois,

defense his world heavyweight title

against Anthony Joshua at Wembley on September the 21st.

I took a bit of a pilgrimage, a long route, we got lost,

we got lost down this lane, we got lost down that lane, and we eventually found Don Charles's

special magical retreat. I'm Steve Bunce and this is without thou

five live boxing on the road again. So we've done Charles now and a little bit of very early September sun and you can

probably hear some traffic in the distance but what I can see in the

distance and it's murky is the Wembley arch but I mean I'm in two fields on this

field on my left there are a couple horses more on them in a moment and on this field on the right is a

hundred meter long army assault course behind me is the gym Daniel Dubois in there

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