I view it as that we have two natures. We have a higher nature and spiritual nature. We have a lower nature and animal nature.

And lower animal nature, I say that, I don't mean to be judgey about that. Like it's just,

yeah, don't you judge those animals rain yeah I love those I love all the animals

humping and eating each other and running around and but what do we want we want power we want

some kind of security we want? We want power, we want some kind of security, we want sex, but we also have this part of ourselves that is kind and loving and giving and, you know, is sacrificial of our own needs for someone else.

Hmm.

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Now this week we're talking about religion,

why Jesus knew how to get turned,

why all religious leaders need to fart more,

and why Josh Johnson,

maybe the God we're all searching for.

Today we're doing something a little different.

Josh is here, but unfortunately,

Christina is not you may remember from our previous episode her voice was on its way out and now out it is indeed

We hope you get well Christiana as soon as possible. So anyway I wanted to bring in someone else who really thinks a lot about religion in this

beautiful almost aspirational way.

So you're going to hear Josh and I get into it.

And then Rain Wilson.

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