when you're a guy that has said, hey, I was a true crime writer, I started solving murders,

and then you write a book, and then you have a podcast, and it's just your success means that more and more people

will write you and say, you know, you open up five emails a day saying,

my daughter was murdered, can you please help?

That's probably the reason why I drink more

is because I can't help everybody.

What is up, you beautiful bastards? It is your. everybody. Billy Jensen of one of my favorite books, Chase Darkness with me, and he also runs the

super popular Murder Mystery Podcast, First Degree. This guy writes about unsolved murders

and solves them, and it's amazing to see how he's actually taken in a career when he was a hockey writer to a murder mystery novelist.

If you've ever wanted to learn how to create your own career and how he went from being a hockey writer to doing podcasts and books about murder mysteries,

you're going to love this episode.

Here's three gigantic things you're going to take away. Number one, which gender

likes murders more? I was shocked. Number two, how he supported himself and became a

full-time writer. And number three, Wild Murder Mystery Stories,

and why the hell are we so fascinated with it?

Enjoy those three things, plus a bunch more earnuggets along the way.

Before we dive into the show,

make sure you subscribe to my YouTube channel.

I know you are. I already love you.

It's YouTube.com slash okay dork. We put out two to three super juicy

business videos to help you on your business journey every single week.

That's YouTube.com slash okay dork. Also a special pre-fellowfout out to listen to Matthew Gazzoi.

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