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Adult Child

The Neuroscience Behind Toxic Shame: Pathways to Healing w/ Robyn Gobbel

Adult Child

Andrea

Relationships, Health & Fitness, Education, Society & Culture, Self-improvement, Mental Health

4.91.8K Ratings

🗓️ 19 March 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Toxic shame isn’t just a feeling—it’s a state of being, hardwired into our nervous system through childhood experiences. Let's break down the neuroscience behind toxic shame and see how we can begin to rewire our brains for healing.

​Robyn Gobbel is a psychotherapist specializing in relational neuroscience, translating complex brain science into practical strategies for parents and professionals. She authored "Raising Kids with Big, Baffling Behaviors," providing insights into understanding and addressing challenging child behaviors. 

Key Takeaways

  • What Makes Shame Toxic? Unlike guilt or healthy shame, toxic shame makes you believe you are fundamentally flawed, not just that you made a mistake.
  • How Toxic Shame Gets Wired Into the Brain Early experiences of misattunement, neglect, or invalidation shape how we see ourselves and stay locked in our nervous system.
  • Rewiring Shame Through Disconfirming Experiences Healing requires new, safe experiences that contradict old shame-based expectations of rejection and abandonment.
  • Why We Keep Recreating Trauma in Relationships Our brains unconsciously seek familiar dynamics, hoping for a different outcome—but healing means consciously breaking those cycles.
  • The Role of Memory Reconsolidation in Healing We can rewire our brain’s response to shame by reshaping how we store and process painful past experiences.


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0:00.0

Shame corrods the very part of us that believes we are capable of change.

0:05.9

My name is Andrea, and this is Adult Child.

0:21.4

What's you're holding on to? just let it all go.

0:31.8

Welcome back to adult child, where we take a deep dive into the impact of growing up in a dysfunctional family.

0:34.8

Ahoy, my dear shit shows.

0:37.2

For any new listeners, my name is Andrea.

0:40.0

I am a total incomplete shit show.

0:46.3

And before you get insulted and turn this off, please know that shit show is a term of endearment around here.

0:47.8

Okay?

0:48.2

It is an identity.

0:50.0

It is a badge of honor.

0:51.6

It is all about embracing that this healing journey is messy as hell.

0:58.8

We don't pretend like we have it all together around here. And I guess by we, I mean me. So I guess we also

1:07.0

talk about ourselves in the second person at times.

1:11.9

And as you may have gathered, if you haven't already turned this off, we don't take ourselves

1:19.1

too seriously around here, okay?

1:21.2

We talk about seriousness, but we don't take ourselves too seriously because let's be

1:25.6

honest, this healing journey is absolutely ridiculous at times.

1:31.9

And so if we can't find the humor, if we can't laugh from time to time, we're going to go

1:38.9

absolutely nuts. So welcome aboard this hot mess of a ship. This is not your typical trauma podcast. We curse here. You've been warned. I'm an acquired taste. You've been warned. And for anybody who doesn't know, I'm currently on a little break working on the relaunch of this podcast. So in the meantime, we are taking a dive. We're taking a swim in the adult child vault. So today,

2:05.4

we are going to revisit one of my favorite interviews ever. So this is with Robin Goebbels. She is a

2:15.3

psychotherapist who specializes in relational neuroscience.

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