The dispossession is part of it, but there is this really fascinating study out of India about

political violence. And so the number one thing for political violence in India is when

they did it with expenditure records. So as Muslims, the marginalized group get more money to spend

compared to Hindus, that's when the violence starts. And this guy is so dark everywhere.

Well, exactly. Because like what's actually happening is in America, you have, you know,

black people and Latino people moving up and you have economically, politically, America is

about to become a majority minority country by 2040. And as that happens, the overclass

essentially reacts with violence. And you can see that everywhere. You can see that in India,

you can see it all over Africa, you can see it in Asia, you can see it in the Middle East,

certainly. So, you know, that is, to me, if you're asking what the deeper process is underway,

the psychological process, that would be right at the top of the list. In fact, when there's

an amazing study that came out about the January 6th insurrectionists, and they only, like,

only a very, about 20% of them were from the militias. But the huge overwhelming factor was that

they all came from counties where exactly that thing had happened. Where exactly that phenomenon.

I saw that where they came from counties that had been becoming more diverse, relatively recently.

And you know, it's amazing because it's not them becoming poorer, right? It's not like,

it's not like them becoming, it's not them losing. It's the people below them gaining in relation to

them that they that causes the violence, which is even worse. I mean, it's even darker.

This week, on the Forward Podcast, the author of the next Civil War, Steven Marsh joins me

with his vision of what's to come in the US. Is it break up inevitable? This week on Forward.

It is my pleasure to welcome to the Forward Podcast author of the next Civil War,

which I have in my hot little hands. Steven Marsh, welcome, Steven.

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