The Nurse Behind the FBI’s Mindhunters (with Dr. Ann Burgess)

Serial Killers

Spotify Studios

True Crime, History, Education

4.6 • 30.3K Ratings

🗓️ 15 July 2024

⏱️ 37 minutes

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In 1978, Ann Wolbert Burgess was a psychiatric nurse, researcher, and professor at Boston College’s Connell School of Nursing. She and her colleague, Lynda Holmstrom, had recently published their findings on the emotional and psychological effects of sexual assault on survivors. That fall, her work was interrupted by a phone call. The FBI wanted to speak with her. They needed her help. Keep up with us on Instagram @serialkillerspodcast! Have a story to share? Email us at [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	One time he was with Kemper and he pressed the button for the guard to come to let him out of a locked room and the guard didn't come and
0:11.4	Kemper said you know in one minute I could snap your head off.
0:15.0	And then I would own this prison.
0:18.0	If you're tuning into this show, you're probably familiar with the concept of criminal profiling.
0:25.1	You see it all the time on TV and in movies.
0:28.0	A sea of hardened detectives gather in a dimly lit room filled with crime scene photos and case files.
0:35.0	Maybe there's a corkboard at the front with maps and names connected by a maze of string.
0:41.0	The investigators are there to analyze the evidence for patterns and clues to get
0:46.4	inside the head of the offender and identify any possible personality traits or behavioral
0:52.3	characteristics that could help them home in on a suspect
0:56.0	to catch the culprit before they strike again.
1:00.0	The FBI developed most of the research and methods for profiling serial crimes in the late 70s, early 80s.
1:07.0	At the time, the process was led by a controversial and underfunded department called the behavioral science unit.
1:15.6	Their work has since become internationally recognized and is still used to catch killers
1:21.1	today in all 50 states. But what most people might not know is it
1:27.7	wouldn't have been possible without the help of an FBI outsider, someone who was used to having her career questioned in
1:36.7	professional circles. It was always, you're just a nurse. You're not a psychiatrist. You're not a psychologist. You're just a nurse.
1:48.4	I'm Vanessa Richardson and this is serialers, a Spotify podcast.
1:54.0	You can find us here every Monday.
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1:58.7	at Serial Killers Podcast.
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