The Price Women Pay To Be Good With Elise Loehnen

Big Time Adulting

Caitlin Murray

Personal Journals, Comedy, Society & Culture, Momlife, Parenting, Kids & Family

4.9 • 811 Ratings

🗓️ 28 June 2023

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

We are delighted to welcome author Elise Loehnen to the pod today. Elise is the former chief content officer of GOOP and the host of the podcast Pulling the Thread. She is here to talk about her new book On Our Best Behavior: The Seven Deadly Sins and the Price Women Pay to Be Good. The seven deadly sins are likely not on your radar, but they are subversively controlling and distorting women’s lives. They are pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, sloth, and anger, all qualities women deny within themselves in order to be “good.” Weaving together history, memoir, and cultural criticism, Elise’s groundbreaking book masterfully reports on this cultural phenomenon and inspires us to untether ourselves from the grip of patriarchy and societal expectations.

In this episode, Caitlin and Elise share personal stories about the pressure they feel to over-function and over-compensate as women, the profound ratcheting up of anger and rage they experience in motherhood, how envy can serve as a motivator to discover secret wants and dreams, and the reason why pride is so uncomfortable to feel. We highly recommend grabbing a copy of Elise's book. It will crack you open and help you reclaim the things you sacrifice in order to be a "good" mother, wife, partner, friend, daughter, human.

Connect with Elise: @eliseloehnen

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0:00.0	When I went back to sort of the creation of patriarchy, this creation of this system in which women are of service to the world and men are in the world, and I looked at the moralizing arm, I realized that this punch card of goodness for women is the seven deadly sins and that they completely
0:24.5	overlapped with all of the corners of my life in which I am chasing quote unquote goodness.
0:32.9	But when you look at them, you're like, oh my God, I didn't sign up for these.
0:36.8	I didn't subscribe to
0:37.8	these, I don't believe in any of this, and yet here they are.
0:42.2	Sloth, envy, pride, greed, gluttony, lust, anger.
0:48.5	Those are all things women don't allow themselves, whereas men are not bound by the same
0:53.8	rules.
0:57.5	Welcome back to the big time adulting podcast.
1:03.2	Very exciting day today. I have somebody who I admire greatly, Elise Lunan. She is the host of
1:10.1	her own podcast called Pulling the Thread. She has co-written
1:13.5	12 books, five of which were New York Times bestsellers. Fucking insane. Elise was the chief
1:21.8	content officer for Goop. Ever heard of it? A lifestyle and e-commerce company where she co-hosted the Goop podcast and the Goop Lab
1:31.2	on Netflix. Now, Elise, hi. Hi. Hi. So I have to tell you, I was like, little nervous, like,
1:40.4	oh my God, this woman was the chief content officer of Goop.
1:48.9	Like, I need to like exfoliate, meditate, masturbate, get on some cashmere before we fucking hit this podcast interview.
1:50.7	Like, what do I do to prepare?
1:52.5	I have to be ultra chic right now.
1:55.6	Yeah, how many years did you work there?
1:57.4	I worked there for about seven years, and I have been away from the brand for
2:05.8	almost three. Yeah, and what does Gwyneth smell like? A candle. I think we all know that.
2:12.9	The vagina candle. Yeah, I have to say, like, I find that brand to be very intimidating in a lot of ways.
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