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On today's show, we have Keegan Tatum who studied the psychology of politics at Columbia University

and also has a significant presence on Tik-Tock where he often goes live answering folks

questions about how the political world is making them feel.

Kagan, welcome friend. Thanks for having me I'm really excited to be on. So

Keegan what is political psychology? So I come a political psychology from a political science

angle. Some people come out from a psychology angle. It's a branch of social psychology that basically in the way that I study it is like what are the psychological differences

between people on the left and people on the right so that could be neurological

differences brain differences that could be perceptual differences the way that we

perceive the world and it could be personality differences

or psychological tendencies.

So how does a person become an expert in political psychology?

Oh, well on one level I went to university at Columbia I got my master's in

political science and one of the things I focused on was political psychology

it's just something that especially fascinates me but in the same way like an archaeologist could just out in the field, right? And so my version of that is that since I've graduated, I've spent a lot of my time reading many, many,

many academic research papers on political psychology. It's definitely something that makes me feel, you know, mentally unwell typically.

So I'm excited to hear if there's a structure behind what's happening to us.

So you have done some work in helping people identify the psychological tendencies that motivate different types of ideology and views.

Can you talk first about what psychological tendencies motivate a conservative view?

Sure, so I just want to say up front that, you know, we don't come to our political views

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