So Russ, you think you're a profiler.

And listen, I believe you, I think that you have a really good intuition

when it comes to reading people.

But today, we're going to have a conversation with a woman who has spent six years

interviewing and becoming very close and having intimate conversations with

over 50 serial killers.

I'm super excited for our listeners to hear what she has to say and all of her insights.

This is our conversation with Laura Brand. Oh, you're not.

Oh, you know. Oh, Okay, so today Russ and I get to have the pleasure of chatting with private investigator, forensic psychologists,

and overall badass Laura Brand.

Hi, Laura.

Hey guys, how are you?

What's up Laura?

First guest on the podcast.

Yeah, the first.

I'm so honored.

So, okay, why don't you tell our listeners,

even though I talked about you a couple episodes ago.

So some people are familiar with you and they started.

A couple of our followers started following you on Instagram because they're super interested in what you're doing.

So why don't you tell everybody who doesn't know what it is that you do?

So I am a licensed private psychologist, private investigator. I'm a forensic psychologist practitioner so

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