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We got to the point where our institutions have got so paralyzed and corrupt and captured

that we really do have to think of alternative ways. I mean, David Brooks this morning,

bless him, was trying to say, you know, the MAGA movement, Trump, these are anti-this-they're not conservatives because they want to tear down the institutions. And conservatives

should want to conserve the institutions. There's not what conservatives want to conserve. Conservatives want

to conserve timeless principles. Right, the valuable things. Exactly.

And institutions are the vehicles and the instruments for implementing those timeless values.

And if those institutions have shown themselves, however long they've been around, however

they've noble they may seem to be, but if they've shown themselves to be completely

incapable in implementing those values, quite the reverse, eroding them, then the

conservative position is to pull them down.

All right, James Orr, I'm doing a ton of interviews while I'm here at Arc. You're the only person

that I'm actually going to read the bio for. Some of them were just putting some some information beneath their name, but you got a lot of stuff here,

so let's just do it.

James Orr is the associate professor of philosophy of religion at the University of Cambridge,

chair of the Edmund Burke Foundation, UK, and director of UK programs for Trinity Forum Europe.

That kind of sums up what this whole art conference is about, doesn't it?

It does.

Little political, little philosophical, little religious, little of everything.

Yeah, I think so.

And that kind of delicate tango between the institutional and the networked and how we think about,

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