You know, we've created these ridiculous tropes of like the wife who's like, oh, he's such an idiot to the husband, and the husband who's like, oh, I married the most loathsome harpy ever to castrate a man.

And this is somehow cute. This is somehow funny. most loathsome harpy ever to castrate a man.

And this is somehow cute.

This is somehow funny, you know, and it's not.

It's not.

It's a divorce lawyer, author, someone who speaks publicly and frequently about marriage and family related issues.

James, wonderful to have you.

Thanks for sitting down with us.

Thanks for having me.

It's great to see you.

So let me give a little bit of background for the audience.

I first became aware of you. I think this was maybe a year ago now.

Several months ago. You were on a podcast with I guess some guys in the red pill space and

you had some criticisms for me which we'll get to and then I

responded in kind of a snipy way I think and then we went back and forth on

Twitter and we realized that, oh, it's fine.

And then I saw you on iced coffee hour,

a show that I've also been on.

And I thought the conversation you had in that show was really, really interesting.

You get a lot of great insights.

And I'll admit that at first I thought, you know, being a divorce lawyer, we would be much farther on on most of these kinds of issues but I

found that I agreed with probably 90% of what you said.

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