Hi, my name is Chris Brennan, and you're listening to the

astrology podcast. Today Austin Koppick is joining me in the studio. We're going to be

talking about the recent revival of astrological magic, and some of the just

ambiguities, but some of the ambivalence that I've had about that and some possible

drawbacks with the revival as well as some of the history and some of the positive things behind it.

So hey awesome, thanks for joining me today. Hey, it's been a while. Yeah, it is day five of our marathon week of doing podcast with Kelly. Kelly went to Boulder today to do a workshop, which is kind of insane at this point in the week, but all the more power to her.

I mean, we all, this was originally scheduled as our one day of rest.

Right, this is going to be the down day. Yeah, but we I mean we also decided to ignore the the Lord's day. All right. So we're a little bit

deranged ourselves, but we had a topic a topic that I've been kicking around for a while that I've been wanting to talk with somebody about and I actually had a few candidates, but you were always the best candidate for this topic, which is, so as we've seen over the past year or two I would

say suddenly the concept and the practice of astrological magic.

So not just astrology and not just magic,

but the blending of astrology and magic

has suddenly become very popular over the past year

or two amongst Western astrologers, especially I feel like amongst like younger newer generations of astrologers and that's been like a notable not departure isn't the right word, but a notable shift, I think that's been obvious and very visible to like everybody.

Would you say that that's at least correct as a baseline?

Yeah, definitely. And I think we both probably noticed it at the same time, which was

you at last year. Right. So that would be a solid year and

So that would be a solid year and a half you know it was at for me it was at the

the live recording of the podcast that we did at at you at I said some things about astrological magic and there was

thunderous applause and I was like really? You know because astrological magic is something that I've been trying to figure out and working on since, I don't know, in terms of like doing formal operations 2005-ish, right?

So and for the virtually the entirety of that time,

nobody cared.

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