Strange Arrivals is a production of I-Heart Radio and Grim and Mild from Aaron Mankey.

I was to be on the television program in Boston and last summer and with another woman who was an

abductee and we got to the station. It was one of those morning talk shows where you're usually

sandwiched in between a somebody who's

written a cookbook and somebody with writing about divorces and then there's you

with UFOs again. But anyway I never know who I'm going to be on with. I walked in and somebody came over to me with the producers and said Dr. Carl Sagan is going to be on the program.

And my heart sank. I felt I'd been ambushed and so I was quickly thinking what am I going to do because I can't say anything against an authority

quote unquote like Carl Sagan because I know who's going to be believed.

And at some point I saw a man sitting over in the corner

the couple people who looked rather thin and frail and I forgotten what Carl Sagan looked like and I thought well that's not Sagan and then in a moment the man got up and came over to me and he it was Carl Sagan he's been ill and he really

doesn't look well and he said he said you're about Hopkins aren't you and I

practically went through the floor because I thought I was the enemy. So he came over and he started

talking and he said, he said I read your book, which again astonished me. He said,

Bud, you really have to have better evidence.

And he said, you know, in the fruitful slogan,

extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.

And I said, what we should be saying here is that an extraordinary phenomenon demands an extraordinary investigation.

It is not, and use that line because that's the point.

We have an extraordinary phenomenon demands extraordinary evidence as if

if okay, Buster, all that's going on.

Come over here and give us a piece of the

captain's logbook and then we'll accept it I said Carl if we had those pieces of

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