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Sounds True.com, many voices, one journey. You're listening to insights at the edge. Today my guest is Claude Ponsile, and this is part

two of our conversation on the spiritual dimension of reality. Claude Pcilé is a physicist specializing in nuclear physics,

astrophysics, and cosmology, who taught at the university level.

Claude is involved in many environmental initiatives and served as chief staff liaison

on President Clinton's Council on Sustainable Development. He has taught shamanism in Europe and North America

for more than 25 years, along with his wife Noel. With sounds true, Claude has written a new book called The shaman within, a physicist's guide to the deeper dimensions of your life, the universe, and everything.

In the shaman within, Claude invites the reader

to discover the 21st century evolution of shamanic practice,

one that will delight, empower, and open the eyes to new

dimensions of our strange and marvelous universe. In this episode of Insights at the

Edge, Claude and I spoke about bringing shamanic practice

into one's professional life and how organizations have a spirit and how we can journey to be informed by that spirit if we wish.

We also talked about the spiritual dimension of the

the cosmos and a journey Claude took to the black hole at the center of our galaxy.

Finally we talked about impeccability in shamanic practice

and Claude's view that impeccability is something to aspire to not

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