The Third Wave
Beyond the Norm
Christi Lukasiak
4.8 • 1.3K Ratings
🗓️ 2 July 2024
⏱️ 47 minutes
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Summary
"I think people want to belong to something," Christi postulates as she picks up the pieces from last week's episode on cults to try and get to the heart of what makes groupthink tick. To better understand this phenomenon Christi has brought a true story for this week's episode that's sure to raise a few hairs every time you have to remind yourself that it really happened.
It's the 1960's and Ron Jones, a Palo Alto history teacher, is trying to impart to his students why the German public was able to accept what the Nazis had done while they were active. Jones begins a little experiment to help teach his students a lesson. He founds "The Third Wave" movement and begins to teach his students strict forms of discipline and resolve. What starts as a brief classroom trial quickly explodes across the campus, with other classes of students getting involved and Jones taking on a more dictorial role in the proceedings.
Is this a case of taking a lesson a lesson plan too far, or are the haunting implications of the Third Wave experiment a powerful statement on the nature of fascism? It's a scary reminder that sometimes if you ask someone wether they'd jump of a bridge if someone else did it, they might just answer yes.
Quotes
“The smell of Bourbon St. comes in waves. Like sometimes you're walking and you're vibing and you're like whatever. Then all of a sudden like a fucking Mack Truck to your face you're just like BAM, oh my god what is that?” (12:01-12:14 | Stephen)
“He told them that they're going to salute each other both in and out of the class. Now right now it's just his class that's part of this Third Wave. I don't like it already. Oh, you're not going to like it at all." (26:44-26:56 | Christi & Stephen)
“There were all kinds of people pushing back like this was unethical and you shouldn't have done that. But... I don't think anybody forgot that lesson. Was it unethical? Probably. Should you have kids literally about to riot each other at school? Probably not. By the way it's 1967 and I don't know if anyone knows but parenting didn't really exist in the 60's, 70's or 80's!” (36:28-36:52 | Christi & Stephen)
“We talked about cults. How did it happen? This is how it happened. Everybody wants to belong.” (42:25-42:30 | Christi)
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, weirdos. We are beyond the norm today with Christie and Stephen. Hi, I'm Christie, obviously not Stephen. |
| 0:07.6 | And I guess I'm Stephen if you're Christie. Hi, everybody. |
| 0:11.2 | Obviously not Christie. So Stephen, hi, what's new? We haven't talked. We haven't talked since yesterday. I know it's like when we have like a 2.5 hour conversation, which was actually really funny because I was like at the grocery store you were like at lunch and then I was like I think at one point I was like there's no point in ending this call and calling you back because we're going to have to start from scratch. So let's just go ahead and continue it. |
| 0:34.8 | And we had already unpacked a lot. Yes, we definitely did. |
| 0:38.8 | Tell me, Stephen cooked a fabulous dinner last night where he was trying to convince me that cooking a lobster tail and an air fryer was a good choice and then you said it was a good choice. |
| 0:47.0 | Let me tell, okay, so yes, my mom told me about it and I was like, girl, you're crazy and then I like saw it on |
| 0:54.5 | Tik-Tock randomly yesterday kiddie and I was like I have to try this so I did and |
| 1:00.6 | it's actually the easiest thing I'm gonna tell you guys in like 30 seconds okay ready |
| 1:03.5 | go to the sword get a lobster you take the sounds gross trust the process you take mayonnaise an old |
| 1:08.9 | basic thing and garlic mix it up you base the lobster tail you pick it for like 400 degrees. I would do it for like 10 to 11 minutes because it said 9 and it came out. I had to like throw it back in basically. But that's literally all you do. Oh my gosh, she's touching your face. She's the cutest thing. So you air-fried it? I air fried it for 10 minutes at 400 degrees and it came out perfect. Which by the way, since you guys can't see what we're seeing unless you're on our Patreon. |
| 1:34.5 | The kitten is like the kitten that Christy and I rescued on the freeway that the whole |
| 1:40.8 | thing we'll talk about an after party. |
| 1:42.8 | But it's like touching her face and it's the cutest. |
| 1:45.2 | She the good girl. |
| 1:46.9 | Did we talk about her yet? |
| 1:48.9 | No, I don't think we've recorded since we found her. |
| 1:51.9 | Oh my, I don't think we have either. |
| 1:54.4 | I don't know, but yes, she didn't talk too much, |
| 1:57.1 | so I can't place where it was like, |
| 1:58.8 | did we have a phone call about it? |
| 2:00.6 | Well, we talk about this. |
| 2:01.8 | I kind of feel like this is like you're my gay dad like you're her gay dad because I send you |
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