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Useful Idiots with Katie Halper and Aaron Maté

The TikTok Wars – w/ Entrepreneur Arnaud Bertrand

Useful Idiots with Katie Halper and Aaron Maté

Useful Idiots, LLC

News Commentary, Politics, News

4.64.5K Ratings

🗓️ 24 January 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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What is really behind the TikTok wars? According to Arnaud Bertrand, our guest this week, it’s less about Palestine content and more about good, old-fashioned American colonialism and hypocrisy.

Bertrand, a French entrepreneur and political analyst based in Malaysia, who lived in China for eight years and has debated China with the likes of Adrian Zenz, reflects on the hypocrisy of the American government, which claims to respect the free market, but actually intervenes in business in order to ban a company for simply being Chinese:

“This is the kind of stuff that Cuba would get accused of,” he explains, “talking about the evils of communism, like appropriating enterprises. It’s ironic that the United States government, which presents itself as this bastion of entrepreneurship, free market, where the government doesn't meddle, is doing exactly that.”

“If [the Tik Tok ban] goes through, it sets a very worrying precedent because basically what it's saying is that, if as a non-American tech company, you make it big, then basically we're going to try to colonize you. It's digital colonialism.”

The fairness of the free market, Arnaud explains, is reserved only for American companies. Beyond that, the government steps in for control.

“It completely destroys the incentive for any country. It's already so hard to succeed given the odds on how dominated the landscape is by American VCs and American tech companies. If you're one of the lucky few that finally make it, then you're forced to sell to the Americans. It's definitely not right and that's a precedent that I don't think should be set.”

The irony is that the crackdown on TikTok has brought Chinese people and American people together as Americans are migrating to the Chinese platform Red Note.

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00:00 Intro

00:55 Fmr CIA Director is still lying about Hunter's laptop

06:14 Elise Stefanik goes biblical on Israel

10:10 Trump wants Gaza's real estate

12:29 The ADL loves Elon's N*zi salute

22:35 Israeli throws a kitten off a roof

27:00 Arnaud Bertrand interview

27:40 The TikTok War

34:55 DeepSeek and OpenAI

37:36 Israeli censorship on TikTok

39:57 Digital Colonialism

45:14 Neocolonialism

47:23 Trump's new tariffs

54:07 China's role in the Ukraine/Russian War



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