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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

The timebomb the founding fathers left us

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Society & Culture, News, Politics, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.610.8K Ratings

🗓️ 29 July 2024

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

The US Constitution is a brilliant political document, but it’s far from perfect. This week’s guest, Erwin Chemerinsky, argues that many of today’s threats to democracy are a direct result of compromises made by the Founding Fathers centuries ago. Those mistakes have come back to haunt us, and they might destroy our democracy. Erwin Chemerinsky’s latest book is No Democracy Lasts Forever. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Support for the show comes from into the mix, a Ben and Jerry's podcast about joy and justice produced with Fox Creative.

0:07.0

Ainez Bordeaux is a self-described Hellraiser, and she became an activist after being caught up in the criminal legal system.

0:14.0

When she couldn't afford her bond and without a trial,

0:17.0

Einez was sent to a St. Louis detention facility known as the Workhouse,

0:21.0

notorious for its poor living conditions.

0:24.0

Here how she and other advocates fought to shut it down and won on the first episode of

0:29.3

this special three-part series, out now.

0:31.8

Subscribe to Into the Mix of Ben and Jerry's podcast.

0:35.0

Here's an uncomfortable question.

0:38.0

What if the thing that's going to finally destroy our country once and for all is the document that created it in the

0:45.1

first place.

0:47.2

The Constitution of the United States is a brilliant political document, but it was written in the late 1700s, in a very different world than the one we currently inhabit.

1:02.0

It was an agrarian society, a huge percentage of the population was enslaved,

1:09.2

the rights of citizenry were confined to white property-owning males. Also, there were no iPhones, no deep fakes, no online

1:18.2

polling. And forget about podcasting. The earliest audio recordings were still a century away.

1:24.0

Almost everything about the way we live has completely changed,

1:32.0

except for how our government works and that's because even

1:36.2

though the Constitution can in theory be amended it has become almost impossible to

1:42.0

actually amend and the reasons for that inertia are

1:45.8

embedded in the document itself.

1:49.4

I'm Sean Elling and this is the gray area. Today's guest is Erwin Chimurinsky. He's the dean of the law school at

2:09.0

UC Berkeley and the author of a new book called No Democracy Last Forever, how the Constitution

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