Bushkin.

What did it mean to go out on a Saturday or Friday night in 1993 in New York?

It was kind of like a given, you know?

Yeah. You wear a fanny pack and once you're out on the streets you turn it around so it's in front of you so you can see it.

Did you really do that? Absolutely. Well, I actually I'm going to interrupt. I remember I just had a flash of, remember keys? We all had keys. And I used

with keys so that each one, what would I have actually done if someone had

attacked me I would put my keys between my fingers yeah so that someone would

tax the I was ready not long ago I call up two friends so I used to hang out with when I first moved to New York City in my 20s, Peggy and Erica.

Back in the 90s, we were all young and foot loose and on edge. I seem to remember that at the end of every

evening there was a discussion about everyone had to we all had to talk about everyone's

plan for getting home do you remember this and if you didn't who did and didn't have

money for a cab did we did anyone under what circumstances would you take the subway on a Friday night after dinner?

If you are in a large group.

Only if you're in a large group.

A large group and it was like a little adventure so six people would all get

on the subway late at night and you felt like you were being adventurous yeah

thinking back on it it felt very collegial.

We did things as a group.

Yeah, you had to.

You were never left alone.

The New York City of that era was one of the most dangerous big cities in America. The subway was filthy. There was graffiti everywhere.

There were 2,262 murders in New York in 1990. More than six a day, were we personally at risk? I don't know, but it felt like

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