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The True Cost of Slashing the Government

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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News, Daily News, News Commentary, Politics

4.6 • 2.3K Ratings

🗓️ 5 March 2025

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Republicans have been talking about cutting the size of the government down for decades. Now that the Trump administration is following through on those plans, the process is laying bare just how much pain this budget hacking is going to inflict on Americans and people across the globe. Guest: Jeffrey Okoro, executive director for CFK Africa, a non-profit focusing on public health and financial opportunities based in Nairobi, Kenya. Hannah Smith-Brubaker, farmer in central Pennsylvania and executive director of Pasa, a non-profit working with farmers on sustainability. Vincent Pinti, law and public-policy graduate student at the University of Michigan. Want more What Next? Join Slate Plus to unlock full, ad-free access to What Next and all your other favorite Slate podcasts. You can subscribe directly from the What Next show page on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, Ethan Oberman, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

For a couple days now, I've been asking you to give me a call.

0:10.1

Hi, Mary. It is a long-time listener. I think I've heard every episode of what next over the years.

0:18.2

My question was simple. I wanted to understand what Donald Trump and Elon Musk are doing to this country, up close.

0:26.6

Hey, I'm an environmental planner in South Carolina.

0:29.6

Hi, this is Sarah.

0:31.6

I am a federal health care contract worker.

0:35.6

My name is Meg from Washington, D.C. I own a pet care company,

0:40.8

and I figured out how many of our clients were USAID workers. My name's Zane. I live in North Carolina.

0:49.3

I work in carbon capture research, and we get federal grants to do research.

0:55.9

So it's just a lot of uncertainty, and I think, you know, that's the whole point.

1:00.8

When I hear about federal workers being fired, or tariffs or contracts being cut short,

1:07.3

I always think there's some person on the other end of this decision.

1:12.1

How are they doing?

1:13.8

Not great, it turns out.

1:16.4

My wife has worked for the Department of Agriculture just short of 20 years.

1:20.7

She spends every day worrying about her job.

1:23.1

You know, everybody just wakes up every day, you know, in fear that they're going to lose their job.

1:27.6

I would say that we are under a lot of stress right now, and particularly with the uncertainty around what's being funded, who's getting money, and where it's going.

1:38.0

You'll probably get 100 calls like this, but, you know, I just want to know that there are really good, hardworking people out there who this is affecting.

1:49.7

Our whole show today is going to be about making Washington funding cuts a little more visible, because it isn't just government workers being impacted.

2:01.4

And I think the hardest part for me is just, it seemed like a game, you know.

2:06.5

Take Hannah Smith Brewbaker.

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