War reveals the essence of ourselves.

Imagine what kind of a psychopath you have to be

to gang a girl and then shoot her in the head.

Most people wouldn't be proud of that action.

But Hamazar...

Think about this. These guys are billionaires.

And yet they're prepared to die,

prepared to put their children at risk, prepared to have their entire tribe destroyed,

annihilated in retaliation for their actions. I mean, I put it to you, Douglas, they've got quite an

ideology there. When they say we love death as much as you love life, they mean it. It's really

that one of the things you can tell with, again, in this case, 100% accuracy,

is that anti-Semitism is the sign of a society going rotten.

Douglas Murray, you're back for the seventh time. Welcome back.

It's a great pleasure of you with you. Has anyone done more than seven?

I don't think so. I don't think so.

I'm very proud to be able to. No, I'm certain no one's done more than. No.

Andrew Doyle may have done, may be touching the fourth or the fifth time, but that's it.

You are a go-to guy, and you have a new book.

I do. Democracy's and death cults, Israel, Hamas and the future of the West.

Yes. Let's get straight into. I mean, you talk a lot, of course, about the history of the Middle East, but actually I want to ask a question that you cover in so much detail in a way that we haven't really talked about. Why did October 7th happen, Douglas?

It'll probably take a full inquiry to finding out exactly what went wrong on the Israeli

side, that it was possible that Hamas could have come so far up inside the center of Israel. But I know right about some of the reasons why.

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