ID the Future, a podcast about evolution and intelligent design.

Welcome to ID the Future. I'm your host, Andrew McDermott.

Today I'm welcoming back Dr. Tom Woodward as he continues to share with us some of his

memories of our longtime colleague, Dr. Jonathan Wells, who recently passed away at 82 years old.

Dr. Wells was one of the first fellows at Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, and his contributions over the last 25 years to the Intelligent Design Movement have been very influential and permissible.

And we're going to unpack a little bit of that in our discussion today.

In case you're not familiar with Dr. Woodward, he's a professor at Trinity College of Florida,

where he teaches the history of science, communication, and systematic theology.

He is founder and director of the CS Lewis Society,

now known as Apologetics, Inc. and lectures in universities on scientific, apologetic, and religious

topics. He is author of the award-winning books, Douts About Darwin, A History of Intelligent

Design, and the follow-up, Darwin strikes back, defending the science of intelligent design, and the follow-up, Darwin Strikes Back, defending the

science of intelligent design. Tom, welcome back. It's great to be with you. Well, in the first half

of our conversation, you talked about how you met Dr. Wells, and we discussed your 2006 book,

Darwin Strikes Back, in particular the chapter detailing Dr. Wells' efforts

to combat textbook misinformation

with his amazing book, icons of evolution.

We also discussed an event at the University of South Florida in 2006

that was headlined by Wells and Michael Behe.

So let's get right back into it.

Let's go for it. All right. So you've said that Jonathan was an amazing communicator and

persuader and that this came out at crazy levels of excellence in his writing. What was it about

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