Welcome to another episode of The Vast Majority. I am Jack Mendebidi editor,

Micah Utricked, joined by Jack Midsdaff writer Megan Day. What's up Megan?

Hi Micah, nothing much I'm excited about today's episode. Today we've got

Josh Davis, who is the co-founder and executive editor of the Institute for

Christian Socialism, and Josh teaches theology and ethics in the Anglican

Studies Certificate program at Drew University School of Theology. And we also

have Aaron Anderson, who is also a co-founder of the Institute for Christian

Socialism, and is the managing editor of its publication The Bias Magazine. I

know you're excited about today's topic. Yeah, I mean as listeners of this

podcast probably know this is a topic that's near and dear to my heart. I grew

up as the son of a Lutheran pastor and people on the left are often kind of

baffled by my biography when I tell them about it. And they assume when they

hear that I am the son of a pastor, they're like, well, so when did you make

your big break with your father's Christianity? And I have to tell them that

never. In fact, the politics that I have today as an editor of a socialist

magazine don't seem like they are in contrast to any part of the

Christianity that I grew up with. In fact, they feel to me like an extension of

it. And people don't really know what to do with that. I think for various

reasons, one, you know, when leftists think of Christianity and religion

generally, they tend to zero in maybe understandably on the right wing

manifestations of it that are at the centers of power in this country and in the

world. But also there's this long tradition on the left that we get into in

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