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The Disappearing Spoon: a science history podcast with Sam Kean

The Would-Be Saint's Battle over Down Syndrome

The Disappearing Spoon: a science history podcast with Sam Kean

Sam Kean

Arts, Books, History

41.3K Ratings

🗓️ 8 April 2025

⏱️ 19 minutes

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Summary

After scientists had a handle on how many chromosomes humans have, other researchers began exploring whether certain ailments might be caused by chromosomal abnormalities. To this end, a French cardiologist discovered that Down syndrome was caused by the presence of an extra chromosome in humans. But a colleague stole credit for her work, and the battle over their legacies continues to this day, in part because the colleague is on track to become a certified Catholic saint.

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0:00.0

The talk did not start for hours.

0:05.1

So the organizers were confused to see two guests arrive,

0:08.8

especially because they were not scientists.

0:11.9

They were law enforcement agents, bailiffs,

0:15.2

and they had cameras and microphones,

0:17.6

along with a court order to record the upcoming talk.

0:21.6

The year was 2014 in Bordeaux, France.

0:25.3

An 88-year-old cardiologist named Marta Gautier was receiving an award and giving a talk on her

0:31.5

role in discovering the cause of Down syndrome.

0:34.5

The lecture organizers asked why on earth the bailiffs had court orders to record the

0:39.6

talk. The men answered that there were rumors that Gautier would be libeling someone during the talk,

0:45.5

her former colleague Jerome Lejeune. In fact, the bailiffs demanded to look at the slides that

0:51.6

Gautier planned to show during the talk.

0:58.3

And in going through them, they pointed out several that they deemed libelous.

1:01.8

By this point, the conference organizers were panicking.

1:04.0

Would they be allowed to hold the talk?

1:08.1

The bailiffs insisted, yes, they did not want to censor anything.

1:14.2

At the same time, they added darkly, if Gautier libeled Lajune, even slightly,

1:19.1

the 88-year-old grandmother would face the full theory of the law.

1:31.3

From the Science History Institute, this is Sam Keane and The Disappearing Spoon,

1:37.9

a topsy-turvy, sciencey history podcast, where footnotes become the real story.

1:46.7

Marta Gautier was born in 1925, the fifth of seven children to farmers in rural France.

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